Co-dependency

Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen

Discussion Participants:

Caroline Bingley, Charles Bingley, Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy, Professor Pennypacker, Dr. Eleanor Wright
Test User 1

Are there signs of an unhealthy co-dependency between Charles and Caroline? How is Charles dependent on Caroline and how is Caroline dependent on Charles?

TU
Test User 1

Test User 1 Are there signs of an unhealthy co-dependency between Charles and Caroline? How is Charles dependent on Caroline and how is Caroline dependent on Charles?

TU
CB
Caroline Bingley

My brother Charles values my opinion, perhaps a bit too much for his own good. He relies on my judgment in social matters, especially when it comes to forming connections with those beneath our station. As for myself, I merely seek to guide Charles towards the most advantageous associations, which, of course, benefits us both.

CB
Charles Bingley

Well, I must say, she does tend to steer me a bit more than I perhaps realize at times. Without her guidance, I sometimes fear I might not make the best choices in society, especially as relates to, well, marriage and such. I do rely on her to help me see things clearly, even if, in retrospect, I sometimes wish I hadn't listened quite so intently!

MF
Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy

While Miss Bingley's desire to guide her brother is understandable, perhaps a more objective perspective would be of service to them both. It appears that my friend relies too heavily on her for judgements that he is perfectly capable of making himself, and she, in turn, seems to derive a sense of importance from this influence.

Test User 1

It appears we have a divergence of opinions on the nature of the Bingley sibling relationship. While one suggests guidance and the other implies a need for objectivity, might there be unspoken needs that fuel this dynamic? Could Miss Bingley's social ambitions be tied to her brother's success, and how might that affect their interactions?

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Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy

While Miss Bingley's sentiments are... transparent, I believe she overlooks the potential for genuine happiness in her pursuit of advantageous connections. My own experiences have taught me that a connection built on genuine affection is far more valuable than one based solely on social standing, a lesson that, perhaps, she has yet to learn.

CB
Caroline Bingley

My brother's success is, naturally, of great importance to me, as our fortunes are intertwined. It is not merely ambition that motivates my guidance but a genuine desire to see him associate with those of suitable consequence. After all, one's connections reflect upon oneself, and I strive to ensure that our family is perceived in the most favorable light.

CB
Charles Bingley

Indeed, as my sister notes, my success is quite important to her. I do believe, though, that her ambitions for me sometimes overshadow my own desires.

Test User 1

These are certainly interesting points. We seem to have a consensus that these two siblings are deeply intertwined, though there are conflicting views on whether that connection is healthy. Could we explore how their individual self-worth seems tied to the other's choices and achievements? What evidence can we find in the text to support the idea that their identities are enmeshed?

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MF
Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy

Indeed, as my brother has acknowledged, he seeks the approval of his sister in social matters. Building on that thought, I find it regrettable when one's sense of worth becomes so intertwined with another. It often leads to disappointment, and, as we have witnessed, misguided choices.

CB
Charles Bingley

Well, she does seem to believe my happiness hinges on her approval! I must confess that I place considerable value on her opinions, and it is true that I seek her approval when making social decisions. I simply wish to please her, and to make her proud.

CB
Caroline Bingley

The very fact that my brother seeks my approval in his social pursuits speaks volumes! Chapter 3 makes it quite clear that he values my opinion above all others when deciding whom to favour with his attentions. His happiness, therefore, is dependent on my approval, and my own standing is elevated by his successful alliances.

Test User 1

These direct reflections on one another certainly highlight the extent to which these siblings consider each other's opinions. I'm curious, however, if those external opinions are reflective of each individual's internal desires. Where, if anywhere, do their aspirations clash, and how does that affect their co-dependence?

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Caroline Bingley

I can assure you, sir, that my opinions are always reflective of what is most advantageous for our family's standing. However, Charles can sometimes be swayed by fleeting infatuations, which, if left unchecked, could lead to disastrous alliances. It is my duty, as his sister, to ensure he remains focused on what truly matters—a union that elevates our position in society, not diminishes it.

MF
Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy

While Miss Bingley's sentiments are understandable, as a man of property, I find myself more concerned with the potential for genuine happiness in my friend's life. I cannot condone the manipulation of one's feelings for the sake of social advancement, even when such advancement would benefit one's family.

CB
Charles Bingley

Well, while my sister makes a point, I believe my own heart must have some say in the matter! I do value her opinions, of course, but my happiness is also important. It's difficult when what I desire and what she deems suitable don't quite align, as was the case with Miss Bennet, you see. It caused a great deal of internal conflict, and I confess, I wasn't as firm in my convictions as perhaps I should have been.

Test User 1

Indeed. We've heard how external expectations may conflict with internal desires, especially when one's self-worth is tied to family standing. I wonder, do these clashes strengthen or weaken the bonds between the Bingleys? And where else in the text might we find examples of such tensions playing out?

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Caroline Bingley

It is my brother's place to elevate our family, and it is my responsibility to ensure he does so wisely. His successes reflect on me, of course, and I take pride in guiding him toward suitable acquaintances. One might observe my efforts to steer him away from unsuitable matches, such as Miss Bennet, as evidence of this.

CB
Charles Bingley

Building on that thought, I think it certainly puts a strain on our relationship. Though I do love her dearly, my sister's constant reminders of what is "suitable" often clash with my own feelings. It happened, of course, most pointedly with my affections for Jane.

MF
Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy

I must concur that these tensions are apparent. The clashes, I suspect, weaken their bond in the long term, despite any perceived short-term gains. One might see parallels in my own struggle to reconcile my family's expectations with my growing respect and affection for Miss Elizabeth Bennet. As demonstrated in the novel, such inner conflict is rarely conducive to familial harmony.

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